Comments on: The greatest SilverLight lie http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/ Flash And Everything Else Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:45:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: guya http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-256 guya Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:05:11 +0000 http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/#comment-256 @Scott Disallowing comments in your own blog and then spamming all of the blogesphere is so 1984. p.s. This isn't an anti MS/SL blog, it's, maybe, slightly against BS spreaders where ever they are. @Scott
Disallowing comments in your own blog and then spamming all of the blogesphere is so 1984.

p.s. This isn’t an anti MS/SL blog, it’s, maybe, slightly against BS spreaders where ever they are.

]]> By: Scott Barnes http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-255 Scott Barnes Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:29:40 +0000 http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/#comment-255 At present, Silverlight and Flash have the same situation, due to lack of both tooling, automatic deeplinking mixed with automatic view/data state management, the fact is no matter which technology you opt for, you'll face the same or similiar hurdles in development & architecting SEO for runtime based solutions. That aside, we believe XAML stands a greater chance of success (based of evidence in our partners like Toyota Fishing), given it's an open format and doesn't require it to be housed within a binary file in order for Silverlight to consume it. Using basic XLST principals, one is able to provide a search engine friendly solution that's passive to todays search engines that doesn't require the actual search engine itself to have access to the runtimes in order to index. Toyota Fishing reduced their publishing times dramatically by opting for Silverlight SEO strategy vs previously with Flash. http://www.google.com/search?q=Silverlight+SEO p.s Trashing Microsoft on a blog is so 1998, get new material at least? as sure you'll get the fellow Adobe fanbois dropping LOL's but in the end, it's just immature and lame. - Regards, Scott Barnes Rich Platforms Product Manager Microsoft. At present, Silverlight and Flash have the same situation, due to lack of both tooling, automatic deeplinking mixed with automatic view/data state management, the fact is no matter which technology you opt for, you’ll face the same or similiar hurdles in development & architecting SEO for runtime based solutions.

That aside, we believe XAML stands a greater chance of success (based of evidence in our partners like Toyota Fishing), given it’s an open format and doesn’t require it to be housed within a binary file in order for Silverlight to consume it. Using basic XLST principals, one is able to provide a search engine friendly solution that’s passive to todays search engines that doesn’t require the actual search engine itself to have access to the runtimes in order to index.

Toyota Fishing reduced their publishing times dramatically by opting for Silverlight SEO strategy vs previously with Flash.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Silverlight+SEO

p.s
Trashing Microsoft on a blog is so 1998, get new material at least? as sure you’ll get the fellow Adobe fanbois dropping LOL’s but in the end, it’s just immature and lame.

-
Regards,
Scott Barnes
Rich Platforms Product Manager
Microsoft.

]]> By: alan http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-254 alan Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:57:39 +0000 http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/#comment-254 This is my opinion. I have two silverlight applications under my belt at this point and from the end user perspective they are very much like desktop apps running in the browser, very friendly indeed. As far as SEO, my job is to deliver the best software I can utilizing the best technology available. The owner of the software or site is responsible for maintaining it in a way that provides visitors relevant and up to date information. It is googles job to crawl it and satisfy their customers by providing relevant search information. Also, if I don't have to, I will never do a standard web based app again. HTML, CSS, ASP, PHP, JavaScript, DHTML, and every other buzz word of the day, have all primarily been implemented to enhance the user experience. Now there is one tool that out shines all the "old" technology and that tool is silverlight. To the rest of the stuff that is out there - good riddance. This is my opinion.

I have two silverlight applications under my belt at this point and from the end user perspective they are very much like desktop apps running in the browser, very friendly indeed.

As far as SEO, my job is to deliver the best software I can utilizing the best technology available. The owner of the software or site is responsible for maintaining it in a way that provides visitors relevant and up to date information. It is googles job to crawl it and satisfy their customers by providing relevant search information.

Also, if I don’t have to, I will never do a standard web based app again. HTML, CSS, ASP, PHP, JavaScript, DHTML, and every other buzz word of the day, have all primarily been implemented to enhance the user experience. Now there is one tool that out shines all the “old” technology and that tool is silverlight. To the rest of the stuff that is out there – good riddance.

]]> By: Polish Adobe Flex User Group » Blog Archive » Aplikacje RIA bardziej dost?pne dla Google i Yahoo! http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-253 Polish Adobe Flex User Group » Blog Archive » Aplikacje RIA bardziej dost?pne dla Google i Yahoo! Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:47:10 +0000 http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/#comment-253 [...] krok w wy?cigu z konkurencyjnym produktem ze stajni Microsoft’u. Jak ju? donosi? blog guya.net, pomimo ?e Microsoft twierdzi, i? ich produkt jest ?wietnie przygotowany do pozycjonowania, nie [...] [...] krok w wy?cigu z konkurencyjnym produktem ze stajni Microsoft’u. Jak ju? donosi? blog guya.net, pomimo ?e Microsoft twierdzi, i? ich produkt jest ?wietnie przygotowany do pozycjonowania, nie [...]

]]> By: GUYA.NET » Blog Archive » Adobe fight fire with fire http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-252 GUYA.NET » Blog Archive » Adobe fight fire with fire Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:40:19 +0000 http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/#comment-252 [...] but to the brutal MS marketing machine. This machine can make every boy and girl blindly recite fallacious facts and numbly say things like “Yeah, but, SilverLight is search engine [...] [...] but to the brutal MS marketing machine. This machine can make every boy and girl blindly recite fallacious facts and numbly say things like “Yeah, but, SilverLight is search engine [...]

]]> By: guya http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-251 guya Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:15:32 +0000 http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/#comment-251 Exactly, search engine can retrieve and parse the content. Their challenge is to make this info useful for the user. Exactly, search engine can retrieve and parse the content. Their challenge is to make this info useful for the user.

]]> By: MiramarDesign http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-250 MiramarDesign Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:10:08 +0000 http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/#comment-250 I've always thought that the search engines could spider more dynamic content if they wanted to but with dynamic content and text flying in and out of the screen and tweening, there is no guarantee that the text results in question will even be shown to the user. Therefore, why should the search engines give preference to content that is hard to verify over more relevant and verifiable static html content? Embedded xml or external text files will not solve this issue as it will always be harder to verify textual content within rich media. At the end of the day it is just a movie or graphic and should be indexed as such. I’ve always thought that the search engines could spider more dynamic content if they wanted to but with dynamic content and text flying in and out of the screen and tweening, there is no guarantee that the text results in question will even be shown to the user. Therefore, why should the search engines give preference to content that is hard to verify over more relevant and verifiable static html content? Embedded xml or external text files will not solve this issue as it will always be harder to verify textual content within rich media. At the end of the day it is just a movie or graphic and should be indexed as such.

]]> By: guya http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-249 guya Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:22:53 +0000 http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/#comment-249 Jody, thanks for the link, The fact that he's website rank high on search engines doesn't mean that the technology is searchable as it is. <strong>All</strong> of the tricks he represented and the article he linked to, are all describing the same old SEO technics that are used to optimize Flash and Ajax content for years. Actually SL SEO is even worse then Flash since the later is being parse by search engines to some extent. http://blog.guya.net/2006/03/16/can-you-make-me-first-in-google/ For example, if you'll search <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nokia+N95" rel="nofollow">nokia N95</a> in google, you'll get this 100% Flash website first out of 4,440,000: http://www.nseries.com/ It's a beautiful website, btw. Jody, thanks for the link,

The fact that he’s website rank high on search engines doesn’t mean that the technology is searchable as it is.

All of the tricks he represented and the article he linked to, are all describing the same old SEO technics that are used to optimize Flash and Ajax content for years.
Actually SL SEO is even worse then Flash since the later is being parse by search engines to some extent.
http://blog.guya.net/2006/03/16/can-you-make-me-first-in-google/

For example, if you’ll search nokia N95 in google, you’ll get this 100% Flash website first out of 4,440,000:
http://www.nseries.com/
It’s a beautiful website, btw.

]]> By: Jody Brewster http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-248 Jody Brewster Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:35:01 +0000 http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/#comment-248 Actually it does, check out this post... http://weblogs.asp.net/jmandia/archive/2008/01/04/silverlight-seo-search-engine-optimisation-optimization.aspx Actually it does, check out this post…

http://weblogs.asp.net/jmandia/archive/2008/01/04/silverlight-seo-search-engine-optimisation-optimization.aspx

]]> By: guya http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-247 guya Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:42:30 +0000 http://blog.guya.net/2008/03/04/the-greatest-silverlight-lie/#comment-247 LoL, thanks for your funny comments, guys :D I do find comfort in that, although we are ignorants sometimes we do live in a better times then Galileo, I really do. LoL, thanks for your funny comments, guys :D

I do find comfort in that, although we are ignorants sometimes we do live in a better times then Galileo, I really do.

]]>